Thanks Freddy and Yeloow, at the moment i have one bike that will be a dry run bike only if i do not get some kind of mudguard on it, i know the original is solid and strong and acts like a bit of a brace ( I too have been hunting for a micron or telefix or similar but no luck so far)
If you have a spare one Yellow then biscuits and beer tokens can be made available, all in a good cause you know
If I cannot sort a mudguard then for the while it will be a dry run bike which may not be a prob, could look pretty mean but I think some kind of brace must be required.
Thanks for the replies, much appreciated

Z1000 ST x 3 , Moto Guzzi G5 special ,V11 special.