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#1 PostAuthor: JOHNO23 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:38 pm

Hi Guys, I'm new to the site, so hello all.
Have recently picked up a Z1000A1 (will post pics when worked out how to)
The bikes in reasonable condition, requiring a little TLC, including paint job, bit of re chroming etc all the usual stuff.Engine sounded pretty smooth although has a couple of leaks mainly from the rocker cover and the cam chain adjuster. Nothing that can't be put right fairly easily..........................However! On getting the bike home, I discovered that some cock has done a piss poor job of helicoiling a fucked plug thread. The owner forgot to mention this.The worry is now, the helicoil has gone and the plug fits in the hole like a dick in a shirt sleeve, can it be repaired in a better more permanent way than a helicoil. Any one have any ideas? The other slight problem is that, between seeing the bike and picking it up (about 6 weeks) someone has knocked and broken off a piece of the top fin ( the front corner).I didn't notice on collection so don't have the piece. Can this be repaired at all?
I can do most of the basic mechanics but have no engineering/machineing skills or experience.
Thanks for listerning.

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#2 PostAuthor: steve.w » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:48 pm

if the helicoil is done right its fine it can also be done in bike as for fins they can be welded up :D

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#3 PostAuthor: ross » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:55 pm

helicoils are normally fine, problems happen if you take the plugs out / in with a hot cyl head.
for your fin ,i have used an alloy metal in a paste and in the past have repaired fins, cases and a crankcase. you can even drill/ tap it. so file it down to match when dry, its available on the internet/ i think even halfords do a version though i havent tried theirs.
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#4 PostAuthor: z1000puddin » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:33 pm

John,
I have these in two of my plug holes.

http://www.timesert.com/

No issues at all with these, but you do need the head off to fit these,some say you can do it with the head on using grease to catch any swarf - But I would advise against this as there is no guarantee to catch every little bit.

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#5 PostAuthor: sid123 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:43 pm

timesert is the way to go :-

look here not too expensive either

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spark-Plug-Re ... 110wt_1037

Clean out newly cut thread with thinners and put some thread lock on outer thread of insert before fitting ( stops it coming out )
whoosh im gone

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#6 PostAuthor: PJ » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:17 pm

sid123 wrote:timesert is the way to go :-

look here not too expensive either

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spark-Plug-Re ... 110wt_1037

Clean out newly cut thread with thinners and put some thread lock on outer thread of insert before fitting ( stops it coming out )


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#7 PostAuthor: sid123 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:20 pm

went to club meet last weekend

Now got a new job so life is busy at moment -

still in motorcycle trade - hopefully will be able to sort some benefits out for club members

can't promise anything yet but will do what I can

hoping to get to swancote this week if weather ok

Best wishes

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#8 PostAuthor: PAULJAC47 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:23 pm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pilot-Nose-Ta ... 35bd31bfce

I helicoil but with one of these taps that dont req drilling it uses the plug thread as a guide and cuts a new thread for the helicoil,as a bonus just repaired a sump thread with it works fine,,
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#9 PostAuthor: steve bowdler » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:17 pm

Hi and welcome to the site :D

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#10 PostAuthor: KeithZ1R » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:32 pm

PAULJAC47 wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pilot-Nose-Tap-For-Helicoil-Inserts-M14-1-25-/230807420878?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item35bd31bfce

I helicoil but with one of these taps that dont req drilling it uses the plug thread as a guide and cuts a new thread for the helicoil,as a bonus just repaired a sump thread with it works fine,,


impressive never come across them before :)
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