Hello Guest User,

Please feel free to have a look around the forum but be aware that as an unregistered guest you can't see all of it and you can't post.

To access these 'Registered Users Only' areas simply register and login.

Carb tuning

Need help restoring, building, or finding then try here.

Moderators: KeithZ1R, chrisu, paul doran, Taffus

Message
Author
510racer
Posts: 13
Joined: 7th Aug 2014

Carb tuning

#1 PostAuthor: 510racer » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:37 am

Hello,
I just fitted a set of new CR29's to my Z900.
They were bought set up for a 900 and after playing with idle jets it is starting well and revving out ok.
Only problem is when you give it a quick twist of throttle it wants to take off then it stumbles and has a HUGE hesitation.
Twisting the throttle progressively seems ok (without any tuning) but it's just when you give it a quick squirt it falls over...
I was thinking that maybe the floats are set incorrectly and there is not enough fuel in the bowl when you ask it to launch, but before i go adjusting the float heights I just wanted to check if I am on the right track???

Thanks.

User avatar
nw66
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 979
Joined: 8th Jul 2013
Location: Essex

#2 PostAuthor: nw66 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:52 am

I had a set of 29's on my 900 and had the same issue its running a bit weak where the hole is I adjusted the needle height to add more fuel and hey presto I got it running pretty much spot on. I did get it on a dyno though to get it as good as we could. Hope this helps :up
Ducati 1199R Race
Ducati 1198R Race
Suzuki GS/GSXR1216 Turbo Drag
Suzuki Katana 1170 Homa sz
Yamaha R7/R1 motor
Kawasaki ZXR750R M1
KTM SXF250



The older it gets the faster it was :-))

User avatar
Pigford
Hardcore
Hardcore
Posts: 13314
Joined: 2nd Jan 2006
Location: North Dorset

#3 PostAuthor: Pigford » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:27 am

Standard Zed carbs always tended to hesitate on initial pick-up which was partly down to old design.

As nw66 said above, raising needles may help a bit, but it could also need size up on pilots?. Are they "pumper carbs" - if so check the accelerator pump action is operating as per manual? CR's can be a b*****d to tune - thats why Mikuni's are a common choice :wink:
And on the 7th day... Zeds were created!

User avatar
nw66
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 979
Joined: 8th Jul 2013
Location: Essex

#4 PostAuthor: nw66 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:24 pm

Pigford wrote:Standard Zed carbs always tended to hesitate on initial pick-up which was partly down to old design.

As nw66 said above, raising needles may help a bit, but it could also need size up on pilots?. Are they "pumper carbs" - if so check the accelerator pump action is operating as per manual? CR's can be a b*****d to tune - thats why Mikuni's are a common choice :wink:


Don't think the CR's have a pump?? the RS's do though!
Ducati 1199R Race

Ducati 1198R Race

Suzuki GS/GSXR1216 Turbo Drag

Suzuki Katana 1170 Homa sz

Yamaha R7/R1 motor

Kawasaki ZXR750R M1

KTM SXF250







The older it gets the faster it was :-))

User avatar
CAT3
100Club
100Club
Posts: 184
Joined: 20th Jun 2011
Location: South Manchester

#5 PostAuthor: CAT3 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:55 pm

Not sure where you live in the country, but this guy would be well worth visiting or at least speaking to,

http://www.otcdynocentre.co.uk

Pete Alton is a very good guy & knows his stuff by all accounts.
Image

paulmceleney
Chunks
Posts: 591
Joined: 29th Jan 2008
Location: milton keynes

#6 PostAuthor: paulmceleney » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:47 am

I had this problem with my bike smoothbore carbs I think your main jets are to big you could drop four sizes and start from there.Also check your plugs first to see what colour they are also you could open your air screw more to see if this makes any difference you only need to adjust a little bit at a time move 3mm then take it for a ride

User avatar
nw66
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 979
Joined: 8th Jul 2013
Location: Essex

#7 PostAuthor: nw66 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:22 pm

:lol: :lol:
Ducati 1199R Race

Ducati 1198R Race

Suzuki GS/GSXR1216 Turbo Drag

Suzuki Katana 1170 Homa sz

Yamaha R7/R1 motor

Kawasaki ZXR750R M1

KTM SXF250







The older it gets the faster it was :-))

baz
100Club
100Club
Posts: 306
Joined: 23rd Jun 2009

#8 PostAuthor: baz » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:32 pm

i always find this way the best at setting carbs up .........
remove the exhaust system from the head and start the engine
when warmed up set the tick over slightly higher than norm
turn the garage lights out and adj the mixture screws so that all
flames are the same length and a nice light blue colour.
Its like doing four colour tunes in one :D

User avatar
Pigford
Hardcore
Hardcore
Posts: 13314
Joined: 2nd Jan 2006
Location: North Dorset

#9 PostAuthor: Pigford » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:03 pm

baz wrote:i always find this way the best at setting carbs up .........
remove the exhaust system from the head and start the engine
when warmed up set the tick over slightly higher than norm
turn the garage lights out and adj the mixture screws so that all
flames are the same length and a nice light blue colour.
Its like doing four colour tunes in one :D


No wonder you're half deaf (as well as daft) :lol:
And on the 7th day... Zeds were created!

User avatar
KeithZ1R
Moderator
Posts: 3368
Joined: 15th May 2005
Location: Bury

#10 PostAuthor: KeithZ1R » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:16 pm

baz wrote:i always find this way the best at setting carbs up .........
remove the exhaust system from the head and start the engine
when warmed up set the tick over slightly higher than norm
turn the garage lights out and adj the mixture screws so that all
flames are the same length and a nice light blue colour.
Its like doing four colour tunes in one :D



now that IS impressive :D :resp
Keith
:bop :gom

You can never have too many tools in your life, except the two legged variety

I'm never wrong, once I thought I was but I was
mistaken.

Phil Churchett winner 2013

baz
100Club
100Club
Posts: 306
Joined: 23rd Jun 2009

#11 PostAuthor: baz » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:35 pm

Pigford wrote:
baz wrote:i always find this way the best at setting carbs up .........
remove the exhaust system from the head and start the engine
when warmed up set the tick over slightly higher than norm
turn the garage lights out and adj the mixture screws so that all
flames are the same length and a nice light blue colour.
Its like doing four colour tunes in one :D


No wonder you're half deaf (as well as daft) :lol:


what did you say :D

User avatar
nw66
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 979
Joined: 8th Jul 2013
Location: Essex

#12 PostAuthor: nw66 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:41 pm

:fire
Ducati 1199R Race

Ducati 1198R Race

Suzuki GS/GSXR1216 Turbo Drag

Suzuki Katana 1170 Homa sz

Yamaha R7/R1 motor

Kawasaki ZXR750R M1

KTM SXF250







The older it gets the faster it was :-))

User avatar
Z1parR
Hardcore
Hardcore
Posts: 4901
Joined: 11th Oct 2009
Location: Chorley Lancs

#13 PostAuthor: Z1parR » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:07 pm

baz wrote:
Pigford wrote:
baz wrote:i always find this way the best at setting carbs up .........
remove the exhaust system from the head and start the engine
when warmed up set the tick over slightly higher than norm
turn the garage lights out and adj the mixture screws so that all
flames are the same length and a nice light blue colour.
Its like doing four colour tunes in one :D


No wonder you're half deaf (as well as daft) :lol:


what did you say :D



I can see now why i was having to shout when i was last at yours .
I thought you couldn't hear me over the dogs .
It was that ringing in your lugs :wink:
0172 . Geoff Parr

baz
100Club
100Club
Posts: 306
Joined: 23rd Jun 2009

#14 PostAuthor: baz » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:35 pm

Go on, take the piss :D

Bet your all in the garage tomorrow though with the exhausts off and a tampon in each hear :shock:

User avatar
nw66
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 979
Joined: 8th Jul 2013
Location: Essex

#15 PostAuthor: nw66 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:23 pm

:lol:
Ducati 1199R Race

Ducati 1198R Race

Suzuki GS/GSXR1216 Turbo Drag

Suzuki Katana 1170 Homa sz

Yamaha R7/R1 motor

Kawasaki ZXR750R M1

KTM SXF250







The older it gets the faster it was :-))


Return to “Bike Help”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests