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#16 PostAuthor: z1bman » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:50 pm

no mention of any diode?

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#17 PostAuthor: wilsonsjw11 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:55 pm

The diode would be within the relay housing.
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#18 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:59 pm

wilsonsjw11 wrote:The diode would be within the relay housing.
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Yes I understand that Steve but where's the diode protection in a standard system if you don't do the wired George mod....the point being why do you need one because of the mod as the surge is there anyway?....
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#19 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:15 pm

Steve...have you read that one is needed with a diode somewhere or are you being cautious :?: (nothing wrong with that :D )

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#20 PostAuthor: wilsonsjw11 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:52 pm

z650freak wrote:Steve...have you read that one is needed with a diode somewhere or are you being cautious :?: (nothing wrong with that :D )

There has been a thread on this subject before and it was mentioned then about the diode, I believe the reason given was that the diode would prevent the field collapsing.
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#22 PostAuthor: Taffus » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:07 pm

electricity is generated by a wire passing through a magnetic field (or vice versa) When the coil on a relay is energised a magnetic field is created closing the relay.
when the relay is switched off from on, the field collapses and passes through the relay coil generating a voltage spike. Bear in mind this is the same principle as your ignition coil.
the diode provides a short circuit to earth for the energy generated to go straight to earth not into the main electrical system.
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#23 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:15 pm

Taffus wrote:electricity is generated by a wire passing through a magnetic field (or vice versa) When the coil on a relay is energised a magnetic field is created closing the relay.
when the relay is switched off from on, the field collapses and passes through the relay coil generating a voltage spike. Bear in mind this is the same principle as your ignition coil.
the diode provides a short circuit to earth for the energy generated to go straight to earth not into the main electrical system.


My reading of that then is that a diode isn't necessarily needed but is belt and braces....

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#24 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:17 pm

wilsonsjw11 wrote:
z650freak wrote:Steve...have you read that one is needed with a diode somewhere or are you being cautious :?: (nothing wrong with that :D )

There has been a thread on this subject before and it was mentioned then about the diode, I believe the reason given was that the diode would prevent the field collapsing.
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Haven't seen that one Steve. Think it may just be someone's slant on the problem....

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#25 PostAuthor: Taffus » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:18 pm

not really but it is good practice for sensitive electronics eg boyer stuff
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#26 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:27 pm

Taffus wrote:not really but it is good practice for sensitive electronics eg boyer stuff


No great difference in price so may as well use one with a diode then....thanks for the link z1bman :lol:

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#27 PostAuthor: Z1parR » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:19 pm

KeithZ1R gave me the same advice as Taffus just has about fitting a diode protected relay .
They are both an electronics wizz so in the interests of ' good practice ' i fitted one .
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#28 PostAuthor: z650freak » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:22 pm

Z1parR wrote:KeithZ1R gave me the same advice as Taffus just has about fitting a diode protected relay .
They are both an electronics wizz so in the interests of ' good practice ' i fitted one .


Where did you get your relay from?

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#29 PostAuthor: Z1parR » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:25 pm

I had one in a box in my garage , it's Ford one off a Transit :lol:

Vehicle Wiring Products sell them .
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#30 PostAuthor: ZedHead » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:29 pm

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/p ... with-diode

The diode is really only necessary if the relay coil is electronically switched but for what it costs it does no harm.


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