Hello Guest User,

Please feel free to have a look around the forum but be aware that as an unregistered guest you can't see all of it and you can't post.

To access these 'Registered Users Only' areas simply register and login.

6 years wait and 6 months engine build

Work in Progress

Moderators: KeithZ1R, chrisu, paul doran, Taffus

Message
Author
User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

6 years wait and 6 months engine build

#1 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:09 pm

This is a story of my long delayed engine build... picture says thousand words and there is quite a few photos so will have to load in couple of sessions, hope I won't block the site.
I bought my Z900A4 in 2003 with alternator + end of crank holding the rotor missing + cracked cases, must have been quite a precise hit as the rest of the bike including paintwork was in very good condition :) About a year later at Kempton autojumble I aquired a Z1A unregistered rat bike for engine and spares. Meantime I found a nice Z1000 engine in Germany so parted out the Z1A, just kept the crank and cases + gearbox and some small bits and the rest was sold. Than after a year or so I bought 1075 WISECOs + bored block from states and that was it. Enjoyed the ride until last autumn when the cam chain oring started weeping oil. This gave me a kick to start building the spare engine, had all the parts on the shelf, Z1A cases, crank and gearbox, spare Z900 gearbox, Z1000 bored block + Wisecos.
Started with bead blasting the Z1A cases, than matching the bored Z1000 block proved the cases needed to be slightly filed to fit:
Image
Image
than comparing the Z1 Z900 bits and advice from this forum helped to pick the right gearchange and box bits:
Image
Image
Image
The crank went in the cases:
Image
followed by the gearbox:
Image
getting ready to fit the bottom cases
Image
Threebond case sealant applied:
Image
bottom case on and torqued, just doublechecked the gearbox action spinning the clutch - all OK:
Image

...

sanderz
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 967
Joined: 2nd Mar 2010
Location: Manchester

#2 PostAuthor: sanderz » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:10 am

Excellant work there hanskloss :up

Impressed with the 'detailed drawings' on the wall - well thought out :!:

Not something id of thought of :oops:
Wots up DOHC

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#3 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:40 pm

I'm paranoid type checking things couple of times, having the parts diagrams and rebuild articles (downloaded from here :bow ) on the wall did help a lot.
next the A4 head was on the table
Image
with my one off red organiser nothing was going to get mixed up :)
Image
valves out and head jet blasted to clean the major dirt before taking it for ultrasonic clean
Image
as the bike had 23 thou miles I expected the head to be in great condition, well it was apart from the guides where all valves wobbled quite badly, measurement confirmed the intakes were within service limit but exhaust ones were shot, ordered a set of APE guides from Z1Enterprises.
a quick shower while :rollpin was away and the head went to machine shop for a while
Image

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#4 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:29 pm

valves getting cleaned
Image
the old guides out
Image
piston ring gaps adjusted
Image
than pistons got fitted, rings fitted with gaps set where they should be and secured by cable tied plastic bottle strip, even though the bottom case was still opened I used paper towel to prevent pin clips dropping in the engine
Image
Image
Image
Image
Last edited by hanskloss on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Pigford
Hardcore
Hardcore
Posts: 13314
Joined: 2nd Jan 2006
Location: North Dorset

#5 PostAuthor: Pigford » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:26 am

Soopa-Doopa :P

You probably spent more time making the "1-off Red sorting box" than most of us take checking the engine :wink:

Great details - keep up the good work :!:
And on the 7th day... Zeds were created!

eastlondon
100Club
100Club
Posts: 196
Joined: 12th Jun 2008
Location: stratford, london e15

#6 PostAuthor: eastlondon » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:18 pm

Good read. Keep updating.

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#7 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:19 pm

after some wait got the head back from machine shop, APE guides fitted and bored, valve seats and valves touched, now a matching session to see which ones go where to keep gaps as big as poss,
Image
even though the seats vere only touched it turned out four valve gaps were just below 200 so took valves back to machine shop for stem grinding, 0,4 to 0,5 mm taken off (as per Z900 manual 0,5mm is safe), measurements again and good result - shiming from 240 to 280,
another month gone, lapped the valves, vacuum test OK, found some time to put the head together, new viton seals on:
Image
I've put molylube oil (mix of 50% moly grease and 50% synthetic engine oil) on every cam train component including valve stems, seals etc. as advised by pros here and by other reputable sources.
valve No5 and seal in place
Image
+ outer spring
Image
+ inner spring
Image
+ spring cap
Image
bit of spring compressor action
Image
all secured, worth to tap it slightly through hammer handle to make sure all seated correctly
Image
final drop of moly oil
Image
and the shim bucket No5 landed in
Image
that left the red box nearly empty, only cam caps to go
Image
haven't got the photo of cylinder block being put on the pistons, I've used plastic bolltle strips (visible on "pistons fitted" pics) technique learnt here and it did work well, even though I wouldn't like to do it again :)
Image
Last edited by hanskloss on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

LTD Project
100Club
100Club
Posts: 224
Joined: 31st Aug 2008
Location: York, North Yorkshire

#8 PostAuthor: LTD Project » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:44 pm

Nice work there, a few pointers that I shall use in the near future as I come to top end assembly.

Thanks for taking the the trouble to post this as it will definitely help me.
Help and motivation always required......
KZ1000 B4 on the road, KZ1000 B4 under serious restoration, KZ1000 B3 waiting it's turn.
GB's old snotter in the operating theatre at present!

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#9 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:51 pm

as I've read horror stories about glass beads left in the head oil passages, I decided not to bead blast the head, had to clean it somehow and tried different techniques - blasted with commercial grade KARCHER jet cleaner - cleaned off the general dirt buildup, ultrasonic clean- it got rid of hard carbon deposits but left anything oily untouched, engine cleaner + brush - got rid of the remaining dirt spots, than wire brushing but that gave too shiny finish
Image
finally few days at home with kitchen scourer completed the job
Image
head ready to fit, the exhaust copper gaskets glued in with silicone just to hold in place later when fitting the exhausts
Image
everything ready to fit the head, all A4 cam train bits were in vgc with rubber rollers and guide showing minimal wear, but for peace of mind I've replaced all rubber parts with new ones, the idler rollers were very good
Image
gaskets on and cylinder block dropped, because the block gasked that came with my Wiseco kit happened not to fit (correct label for Z1000 but some other gasket inside) I've used a spare gasket from a vintage Vesrah set, just to make sure it seals properly I've smeared a thin film of LOCTITE 598 gasket maker on both sides, the excess had to be wiped off with paint thinner before curing
Image
than the head was put on and torqued, because Wiseco head gasket is one piece type the cam tunnel oring was skipped, the oring tunnel in cylinder block has earlier been filled with silicone and cut flat after curing, a layer of silicone went around now for a good seal
Image
Image

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#10 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:22 pm

meantime there was a time for usual spring run to the mountains last time powered by my old engine, not dificult to spot the best looking machine ;)
Image
the way back home, the guy in black is my best mate riding CB1300, there is hope for him though as he has a soft spot for Zephyrs :) the guy in leathers was on CBR1000 but found it hard to keep up throgh the mountain twisties, possibly hangover but we've all been there last night...:) I've used about a litre of oil through this trip (1000km) and heard many complaints about oil smoke behind, they either loved the sound of 4in4 or most likely rode safely :)
Image
back in the garage, next the engine went upside down to have oil pump fitted
Image
sump with new oring and new gasket ready
Image
and on
Image
did not have the filter ready so marked the bolts needing torquing later with masking tape
Image
two days later new filter in and plugs torqued
Image
engine back up and time to fit the clutch
Image
picking up the best bits, I had three clutch sets to choose from, all within service limits
Image
Last edited by hanskloss on Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#11 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:19 pm

at this stage I've started to prepare the old lump to come out
Image
Image
quick note of previous succesful ignition timing
Image
than ignition out
Image
starter motor
Image
bike lift under with a custom engine support
Image
Image
engine fittings undone and put away
Image
and it's out with a help of my mate
Image
obviously hard job it was and deserved a beer after
Image

sanderz
Custard Cream
Custard Cream
Posts: 967
Joined: 2nd Mar 2010
Location: Manchester

#12 PostAuthor: sanderz » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:47 am

Great work, keep posting the pics :up
Wots up DOHC

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#13 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:07 pm

removed the APE cam plugs from old engine and as expected they needed some work to fit in new head (had the same issues fitting them to the old one), left side fitted OK but right side was too shallow so needed filing, also head walls had to be touched with file
Image
Image
all four even with head surface and sealed with Loctite 598 silicone
Image
next fitting the clutch plates, all preolied
Image
Image
couple of days later found some time to fit the cams
Image
applied molylube and oil generously, time to fish the cam chain out
Image
expected size shims in and cams on top, now to set cam marks and count 28th pin
Image
all set and torqued, top idler and tensioner in place, turned the crank couple of times to make sure it's all spot on and with brand new chain it was
Image
finally shims checked and adjusted, all apart two were as matched earlier before fitting the valves to the head, two needed swapping with 005 smaller size
Image
while missus was out I took chance to refresh the cam cover
Image
the engine is complete and ready to jump in the frame
Image

User avatar
redzee
100Club
100Club
Posts: 124
Joined: 15th Sep 2011
Location: Shrewsbury, England

#14 PostAuthor: redzee » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:25 pm

Excellent thread and great work. Inspiration to us all. :brav
Eight valve grunt.
Remember, growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional.

Z1000J3, RD350(1973), RD250E, TZR250 2MA,

User avatar
hanskloss
100Club
100Club
Posts: 285
Joined: 24th Nov 2003
Location: Poland

#15 PostAuthor: hanskloss » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:02 pm

frame awaiting...
Image
and new lump landed in
Image
starter motor on
Image
fitted the front sprocket and drive chain...
Image
...and due to lack of lubrication managed to shred brand new lock washer :roll:
Image
Image
with molylube round the washer, no problem this time
Image
fitting the clutch cover, note thin line of Loctite 598 silicone to create a film, this is to enable easy removal next time (gasket not sticking to cases permanently and not getting torn)
Image
klasmo clutch cover on, engine filled with mineral oil next day
Image
fitting the exhausts
Image
Image
sprocket cover on, now to fit the carbs
Image
starter cover and airbox on
Image
and the carbs fitted, must say it was quite easy with brand new air box to carb rubbers, done it with old ones couple of times and it was quite painfull job
Image
after putting the tank on I could not resist pressing the strat button ...and it fired straight away !
quick check of the ignition timing and final bling with repainted Moriwaki points cover
Image
and the first ride, bike runs sweet with head being noticeably quieter than before, no ticking, rustling etc
Image
short vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1V2vkrG4Aw&feature=plcp


Return to “Projects”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests