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Somewhere in my body runs the "hell why not" gene!
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Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you all, just not a lot going on here yet, I am waiting on some warmer weather so I can get out and play.
But. that does not mean I have done nothing, oh no, in fact I have done lots of nothing, and I am getting pretty good at it too I have also had a go at actually doing things too, so we shall talk about that.
Can you fit an overhead cam Norton Manx motor in a standard ES2 500 plunger frame?
NO!
I know this to be correct as I asked an expert on such matters, and as he just happened to have is Inter Manx clubman on the bench he showed me why. It seems that although the frames are the same, they are also different. They use the same basic components, but they are set up in a different way. The front downtube on my ES2 is 17" between the top and bottom spiggots, where as on the Inter frame it is 19 1/2" because the OHC manx engine is taller. Also the rear plunger suspension units on my frame are vertical almost (well they are now, but that is a different story) and on the Inter frame they slant forward at the top. There are other differences too, pedal positions, tank brackets, etc.
So while Mick had the bike on the bench I thought it only right to grab some pictures, well why not.
There is also a nice looking Manx rep ES2 on ebay right now too
Nice, but a bit too clean and shiney for me, I like them to look like a used race bike, and not a show bike, but it will sell I am sure.
But. that does not mean I have done nothing, oh no, in fact I have done lots of nothing, and I am getting pretty good at it too I have also had a go at actually doing things too, so we shall talk about that.
Can you fit an overhead cam Norton Manx motor in a standard ES2 500 plunger frame?
NO!
I know this to be correct as I asked an expert on such matters, and as he just happened to have is Inter Manx clubman on the bench he showed me why. It seems that although the frames are the same, they are also different. They use the same basic components, but they are set up in a different way. The front downtube on my ES2 is 17" between the top and bottom spiggots, where as on the Inter frame it is 19 1/2" because the OHC manx engine is taller. Also the rear plunger suspension units on my frame are vertical almost (well they are now, but that is a different story) and on the Inter frame they slant forward at the top. There are other differences too, pedal positions, tank brackets, etc.
So while Mick had the bike on the bench I thought it only right to grab some pictures, well why not.
There is also a nice looking Manx rep ES2 on ebay right now too
Nice, but a bit too clean and shiney for me, I like them to look like a used race bike, and not a show bike, but it will sell I am sure.
Think this would look good if it fitted the frame.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Norton-Intern ... 1e6b3ec140
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I do actually have a small update on this project.... So where are we then?
Do you remember the "rust and crust" picture No? well let me remind you all, here it is...
And as you will notice the alloy parts are just a little crusty but things have moved on this week, my plunger units are polished, and I have a set of new black and chrome covers too. These aren't fitted just yet, as the plunger rods need to be shortened, but they may well be all done by the weekend.
And at the other end, we had this rusty old setup...
the dash panel is not going to be used, as I am going to fit a race style speedo holder, but the yokes are done now...
So rebuild the Roadholders next then..
Oh, and I also managed to get myself a genuine manx/inter oil tank, well what I really got was a rusty hole ridden lump of metal, but it was once a real oil tank that was on a racing Norton.
Do you remember the "rust and crust" picture
No? well let me remind you all, here it is...
And as you will notice the alloy parts are just a little crusty but things have moved on this week, my plunger units are polished, and I have a set of new black and chrome covers too. These aren't fitted just yet, as the plunger rods need to be shortened, but they may well be all done by the weekend.
And at the other end, we had this rusty old setup...
the dash panel is not going to be used, as I am going to fit a race style speedo holder, but the yokes are done now...
So rebuild the Roadholders next then..
Oh, and I also managed to get myself a genuine manx/inter oil tank, well what I really got was a rusty hole ridden lump of metal, but it was once a real oil tank that was on a racing Norton.
I spent a little time tarting up the frame, well I had to do something about all that red primer that had been daubed (daubed = word of the day) about with what can best be described as a relish! but a morning of spray on oven cleaner, warm soapy water, and 400 grade wet and dry, soon had the frame ready for some paint.
And this is the result...
well that was yesterday, and my kitchen still smells of paint this morning! so as I was going to get some pictures, I thought I should see how the new oil tank will look when repaired, painted, and fitted, sometime in the near future.
I also have to find out how these tanks are hung on the frame, which probably means going to look at old Norton's, oh well, someone has to do it
And this is the result...
well that was yesterday, and my kitchen still smells of paint this morning! so as I was going to get some pictures, I thought I should see how the new oil tank will look when repaired, painted, and fitted, sometime in the near future.
I also have to find out how these tanks are hung on the frame, which probably means going to look at old Norton's, oh well, someone has to do it
Today was a good day, today was the first "build" day, I now have a few parts, and today they started going together
I had the rear plunger rods machined, and so today I took the frame, plunger rods, springs, and covers, over to Mick's place to get some help fitting them on the frame, Mick has a homemade spring compressor just for doing the plungers, a job that would be tough to do without the use of a tool.
And when I got back home I fitted the headstock assembly with the new bearings that turned up this week. I also have the parts needed to put the Roadholder forks together, so things are moving in the right direction.
I had the rear plunger rods machined, and so today I took the frame, plunger rods, springs, and covers, over to Mick's place to get some help fitting them on the frame, Mick has a homemade spring compressor just for doing the plungers, a job that would be tough to do without the use of a tool.
And when I got back home I fitted the headstock assembly with the new bearings that turned up this week. I also have the parts needed to put the Roadholder forks together, so things are moving in the right direction.
Busy, busy, busy...
So after building the rear suspension this week, my attention then turned to the front, and the Roadholder fork assembly, so here I needed a set of springs, as my ones had a couple of broken coils, and some new stanchions, as my old ones were badly corroded.
So today I set too, and sorted out the problem, and built the new ones up ready to fit.
Then as I continue to ride my luck, I asked a question in the right place at the right time, and I became the owner of a pair of cast aluminium headlight ears.
Now these things always suffer damage to the lower lip, and these were no different, the lip was missing, and there was a crack in the casting too. But a little time in the shop, and I soon made a new alloy lip, that was quicly TIG welded into place, before being shaped to fit using an old set of Roadholder yokes as a fitting rig.
So that took a couple of hours to get sorted, and as I had the camera out I took a couple of workshop shots, you can even see a Norton International motor on the lift.
A pretty good day as days go
So after building the rear suspension this week, my attention then turned to the front, and the Roadholder fork assembly, so here I needed a set of springs, as my ones had a couple of broken coils, and some new stanchions, as my old ones were badly corroded.
So today I set too, and sorted out the problem, and built the new ones up ready to fit.
Then as I continue to ride my luck, I asked a question in the right place at the right time, and I became the owner of a pair of cast aluminium headlight ears.
Now these things always suffer damage to the lower lip, and these were no different, the lip was missing, and there was a crack in the casting too. But a little time in the shop, and I soon made a new alloy lip, that was quicly TIG welded into place, before being shaped to fit using an old set of Roadholder yokes as a fitting rig.
So that took a couple of hours to get sorted, and as I had the camera out I took a couple of workshop shots, you can even see a Norton International motor on the lift.
A pretty good day as days go
Now a few weeks back I bought an oil tank, in fact not just any old oil tank, but the real thing, Manx/Inter oil tank, now as you can imagine, these things are like rocking horse poo, and don't come up for sale very often. So when they do you can't really be to fussy about what you get. Sure you could hold out in the vain hope of finding a nice shiney one that needs no work, but hell, where is the fun in that?
So here is mine, just a couple of pictures before it goes to be repaired, actually it looks worse than it really is, and having the hole gave me a chance to clean out the inside of years of baked on oil residue.
If you look in the tank, you can see a previous repair, and while the tank looks rusty, it is actually very strong. And the hole, well that was where another tank was added for extra capacity when racing? Also while it is in this condition, I shall be adding a drain plug to the bottom, as they never had one fitted.
So here is mine, just a couple of pictures before it goes to be repaired, actually it looks worse than it really is, and having the hole gave me a chance to clean out the inside of years of baked on oil residue.
If you look in the tank, you can see a previous repair, and while the tank looks rusty, it is actually very strong. And the hole, well that was where another tank was added for extra capacity when racing? Also while it is in this condition, I shall be adding a drain plug to the bottom, as they never had one fitted.
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