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Reassembling A4 Bottom

#1 PostAuthor: Liam Crowe » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:46 pm

Reassembling A4
I reassembling my A4 bottom end - Crankshaft in Place and Torque down - Clutch shaft in place and and the secondary shaft is in place.
The help i need Please is,
1 - What do I need to look out for
2 - The clutch shaft has a clip/ratchet inside the crank case - what way is that put in place?
3. Gear shift reassembe?

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#2 PostAuthor: Rich » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:10 pm

I suggest you buy a quality workshop manual ie a Kawasaki one, there is one to download somewhere do a search for it.
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#3 PostAuthor: hillbilly » Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:16 pm

and read it properly,i once (long time ago)took two days of trying to tighten the cams down ,timeing kept being out,then i read the book properly,and it said to tighten the left side down first,id been tightening the right side. :oops: :oops: but you gota learn by yur mistakes.
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#4 PostAuthor: Liam Crowe » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:13 pm

Thanks Lads, Is that the best that can be offered - I am a member and I striped the enging 8 months ago sent to to England to J.M.E (James Moorley Engineering.Lincoln and the W took that lenght of time to return it. Only for the help of Paul Doran it woulD still be across the pond.
I have workshop manual's but a little frindly help and advice would not go a miss - SO THANKS FOR NOTHING LADS
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#5 PostAuthor: hillbilly » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:17 pm

just trying to help,it might help if you put a picture of the problem on,so we can see why you need help. :!:
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#6 PostAuthor: Al » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:39 pm

Liam, might be a little after hours but what type of cam chain have you got. Endless or split type? Now would be the time to find out. Cant really help with A4 cos i only had to do my J1 but i'm fairly sure that before you go much further you will have to attach the clutch drum and hub to the shaft because i dont think it will go in afterwards. The gear selector mechanism on mine was a nightmare but with patience and continual testing of the selector i found that it all made sense eventually. Also have a feeling that you might be about to be tripped up by some tiny ball bearings giving a false reading but i will leave others to spell out what that means and if it applies to yours. The oil seal between the two crankcase halves is also critical as it goes in one way up only but this is less than obvious on a J type motor. The flat face goes toward the upper CC half.

Is there something in the engines history that suggests that the gear selector mech or engine internals might not go back together without troubles??

Stick some pictures up in the projects section, its easier for people to relate to a picture, well thats how it works with me anyway.

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#7 PostAuthor: Liam Crowe » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:36 am

Hello Al, Thanks a mill for your reply. Endless camchain type, new from Z1. I will post picks this evening, if I can - not posted picks before so hope I will be able. No history with the engine that I know, I wanted a Z900 since I saw one over 38 years a go - now I have one I would like to restore it fully. So engine was in need of a good clean and that is why I striped it - like i said I sent to England to be vapour blasted and it took the 'W' 8 months to send it back and again Thanks to Paul Doran i got it back.
The reason for my questions are, I want to put it back right the first time and I am being very Cautious. Thanks again

Kind Regards

Liam

PS Also in stable with Z900 are a, H**** CB650, BMW R1150R & Triumph 350 Tiger and Son in Law to be has an EN500

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#8 PostAuthor: Al » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:46 pm

3TA or the ubiquitous T90?

Just based on my experiences of three years ago or so; could i suggest that you do a trial bolting together of the crankcase halves before going any further. It costs nothing but a little time.
Reason is i get a tiny but very annoying weep from the CC joint just in front of the timing cover RHS occasionally.
Had i trial fitted them and tried to run a feeler gauge round that joint it might have shown up what i was about to do wrong. I know that the bike had been dropped on the LHS but was un-aware of any damage residue to the RHS. Much much later on i did discover that the advance a retard was running out quite badly and had to be replaced. Co-incidence maybe, who knows

From a purely practical perspective; i found that a Black and Decker workmate was by far and away the best 'platform' for the bottom end work to be carried out on. Dont know if you have access to one of these but its main advantage is that it has a gap in the middle between the 'jaws' which you can dangle cam chains, con rods etc through. Its a good height and unobtrusive beneath the motor whilst you work. Thoughtfully they put a little step on this one for tea and fags to sit near by.

Did you have all the bolt holes blanked with bolts of the correct sizes before it was vapour blasted?

My cases were professionally blasted, cleaned, masked ,painted and cleaned again. (cost a bl%%dy fortune) When i got them back i washed them in the bath several times and left them to soak overnight.
Took them out and ran new taps into all the holes and was pretty horrified by what came out of some.
Maybe original manufacturing debris, historical sealants, blast media, whatever but had to wash them again several times more before i was completely happy.
Looking back now, i guess it was really my responsibility since paying someone to do that job would have put the price off the Richter scale.

This ones a bit previous; dont forget to seal under the heads of the bolts in the lower CC.
The exposed (outdoor) bolt heads in the lower CC take in water and freeze. In 30 + years time someone might have cause to curse your name if you dont use Sikaflex or your contrys' equivalent.
My cases are black so used black. Dont know if they make it in silver but i suspect they or someone else does. Focus on the annulus between the bolt shaft and washer ID.

What oil you gonna use.
I would satisfy myself at this stage that buy pumping oil through the oilways that is is demonstrated to get where it is needed.
Thoughtfully the people who blasted the ali left some of the tapered rubber bungs behind in the casings. I used these to blank off sequentially where i did not want the oil to come out of. Messy job and shouldnt have done it in the bedroom really, but hey that's what a mid life crisis is all about by my reckoning.


Another one thats before its time but may forget later; if i'd had me wits about me i would have mocked up the bottom end, pistons and block. Bolted the block down onto CC with bits of cut up 15mm copper pipe etc and put a dial gauge on the piston crowns.
Had i done this i might have discovered the issue with the A&R unit but in any event it will tell you if the crank is true and indexed correctly to the TDC mark.
God forbid that its comes out not lined up but if you do have to get the crank trued now would be the time to do it.


Look forward to seeing the pictures and i hope some of the above helps. Posting pictures is more my thing so if you get stuck read your pm.





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#9 PostAuthor: Pigford » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:02 pm

Liam, to be fair mate.... you intro was a bit vague :??

As already said, whack some photo's up & detail your concerns.....

We are here to help, but I just think your question was a bit to 'broad'.

All the best..... & why not post it all in the PROJECTS bit.... :twisted:
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#10 PostAuthor: paul doran » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:57 pm

Liam I will hopefully get that engine down to you tomorrow
hope the picture's work out
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#11 PostAuthor: Garn 1 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:53 pm

Liam, I agree with Pigford the question was a little vague. Also it is hard to describe using your/ my terminolgy eg "Clip ratchet" and Pawl- arrestor"

I can tell you briefly what you need to look for.......

1. Ensue all assembly 6mm bolts holes are clear, often they look clear but may have Lock-tite in the bottom and break on assembly.
2. Make sure the little pawl-arrestor for the kick-start is correct position.
3. Ensure kick-starter shaft is in correct rachet position (Need Manual)
4. Have main selector, that's the bigger selector is in place and sprung loader locator is tightened down. (Need Manual)
5. Ensure rubber seal is mounted between halves.
6. Inspect the 6 radial springs in clutch cage for breakage (not easily seen). If any are broken you will need to rethink this project until you have resolved this problem. Broken springs cause cluch rattle.
7. Ensure you have the two bearings locators half rings fitted on assembly.
8. Use a thin smear of three bond on both halves. (sometime not necessary, depending on surfaces).

The other twin selectors and their shaft may be assembled after halves are bolted together. Leave sump and oil pump off until fitted to frame.
You will need to look at a manual where mentioned.

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